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		<title>By: David Crotty</title>
		<link>http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/10/23/welcome-to-a-synchronous-digital-hell/#comment-5312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Crotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The typing issue strikes me as somewhat symbolic of the problems here--it serves  no useful function and appears to have been included just to add some &quot;gee whiz&quot; factor, there because it was technologically possible, not because it&#039;s useful.  There&#039;s a good article on it &lt;a href=&quot;http://jens.mooseyard.com/2009/10/the-lost-lesson-of-instant-typing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;...live typing is one of those Cool Demo Features that looks really awesome when showing off the app. Features like that can be dangerous because they are legitimately very useful during the app’s gestation, when exciting demos are a key survival trait; but then they can’t be removed later on because they’re so well-known, even if they turn out to be useless. Sometimes these features aren’t actually harmful to the user experience, they just make the code more complex and harder to maintain. Instant typing is both, unfortunately.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are correct in that Wave is something of an open framework, and it will be interesting to see what people make of it.  If anything, it probably won&#039;t end up being used exactly as Google is proposing (much as Twitter has turned into something very different than it was originally envisioned as).  I do think it has value as a tool for collaboration, but find it overly complex for simple communication.  And if you&#039;re just going to pare it way down so it&#039;s the same as IM or e-mail, why not save all the work and just use IM or e-mail?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The typing issue strikes me as somewhat symbolic of the problems here&#8211;it serves  no useful function and appears to have been included just to add some &#8220;gee whiz&#8221; factor, there because it was technologically possible, not because it&#8217;s useful.  There&#8217;s a good article on it <a href="http://jens.mooseyard.com/2009/10/the-lost-lesson-of-instant-typing/" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;live typing is one of those Cool Demo Features that looks really awesome when showing off the app. Features like that can be dangerous because they are legitimately very useful during the app’s gestation, when exciting demos are a key survival trait; but then they can’t be removed later on because they’re so well-known, even if they turn out to be useless. Sometimes these features aren’t actually harmful to the user experience, they just make the code more complex and harder to maintain. Instant typing is both, unfortunately.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are correct in that Wave is something of an open framework, and it will be interesting to see what people make of it.  If anything, it probably won&#8217;t end up being used exactly as Google is proposing (much as Twitter has turned into something very different than it was originally envisioned as).  I do think it has value as a tool for collaboration, but find it overly complex for simple communication.  And if you&#8217;re just going to pare it way down so it&#8217;s the same as IM or e-mail, why not save all the work and just use IM or e-mail?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hellman</title>
		<link>http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/10/23/welcome-to-a-synchronous-digital-hell/#comment-5289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Hellman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s important to understand that &lt;i&gt;Wave is not the user interface&lt;/i&gt;, just as e-mail is not Microsoft Exchange. If you&#039;ve not done so, try the iPhone UI for Wave. &lt;a href=&quot;http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2009/10/wave-is-better-on-iphone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I think its quite a bit better&lt;/a&gt; than the browser UI. Once third party UIs are available for Wave, I think there will be a real turning point.

You don&#039;t have to let other people see you type- that&#039;s a UI issue, not a platform issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s important to understand that <i>Wave is not the user interface</i>, just as e-mail is not Microsoft Exchange. If you&#8217;ve not done so, try the iPhone UI for Wave. <a href="http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2009/10/wave-is-better-on-iphone.html" rel="nofollow">I think its quite a bit better</a> than the browser UI. Once third party UIs are available for Wave, I think there will be a real turning point.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to let other people see you type- that&#8217;s a UI issue, not a platform issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crotty</title>
		<link>http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/10/23/welcome-to-a-synchronous-digital-hell/#comment-5287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Crotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Always nice to see you channeling Sartre.  I think you&#039;re right, &quot;hell&quot; is the appropriate word here.  Like most people, I have other things I have to do at my job beyond responding to messages.  I don&#039;t even use IM because I find it too interruptive and annoying.  I also think that for many communiques, a well thought out, well written response is important.  That&#039;s not possible if you&#039;re obliged to immediately respond to everything anyone sends you.

I&#039;d also be hesitant to see Google&#039;s Wave as something that&#039;s going to get a lot of traction.  The early reviews of it have been horrible, ranging from &quot;impressive but useless&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessinsider.com/google-waves-early-reviews-impressive-but-useless-2009-10#not-really-usuable-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;),  and &quot;too complicated for its own good&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2232311/pagenum/all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), to calling it &quot;the Segway of email&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=866833&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).    I thought &lt;a href=&quot;http://log.emonk.net/post/213952350/collaboration-is-not-communication&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this was a particularly good article&lt;/a&gt;, decrying the visibility of your message in Wave as you type it, and how that tends to inhibit writers.  The article does note that Wave is an extremely useful tool for corporate collaboration, but that&#039;s a long way from the &quot;e-mail replacement&quot; it&#039;s been touted as. Given &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google&#039;s propensity for abandoning projects&lt;/a&gt; that don&#039;t catch on, we&#039;ll have to wait and see whether Wave continues to roll on toward the shore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always nice to see you channeling Sartre.  I think you&#8217;re right, &#8220;hell&#8221; is the appropriate word here.  Like most people, I have other things I have to do at my job beyond responding to messages.  I don&#8217;t even use IM because I find it too interruptive and annoying.  I also think that for many communiques, a well thought out, well written response is important.  That&#8217;s not possible if you&#8217;re obliged to immediately respond to everything anyone sends you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be hesitant to see Google&#8217;s Wave as something that&#8217;s going to get a lot of traction.  The early reviews of it have been horrible, ranging from &#8220;impressive but useless&#8221; (<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/google-waves-early-reviews-impressive-but-useless-2009-10#not-really-usuable-1" rel="nofollow">here</a>),  and &#8220;too complicated for its own good&#8221; (<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2232311/pagenum/all" rel="nofollow">here</a>), to calling it &#8220;the Segway of email&#8221; (<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=866833" rel="nofollow">here</a>).    I thought <a href="http://log.emonk.net/post/213952350/collaboration-is-not-communication" rel="nofollow">this was a particularly good article</a>, decrying the visibility of your message in Wave as you type it, and how that tends to inhibit writers.  The article does note that Wave is an extremely useful tool for corporate collaboration, but that&#8217;s a long way from the &#8220;e-mail replacement&#8221; it&#8217;s been touted as. Given <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet/" rel="nofollow">Google&#8217;s propensity for abandoning projects</a> that don&#8217;t catch on, we&#8217;ll have to wait and see whether Wave continues to roll on toward the shore.</p>
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