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	<title>Comments on: The Internet&#8217;s Extended Cultural Memory &#8212; Is It Sapping Our Creativity?</title>
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		<title>By: Kent Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually thinking it&#039;s something along these lines, but more about the dissolution of mass media into personal media and our ability to share media so easily. Mass media created a world of dominant genres against which creativity would shine as a dissent, and shifts in mass media genre preferences would just drive creativity differently -- but it would always show up as a contrast to mass media. In a world like this, the perception is that creativity is abundant. Now, mass media is just another media option, and we all get slices from everywhere. So, everything is just a click away, and originality/creativity isn&#039;t accomplished by being a minority presence (everything&#039;s a minority presence) but by being truly original, and, as you say, that&#039;s rare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually thinking it&#8217;s something along these lines, but more about the dissolution of mass media into personal media and our ability to share media so easily. Mass media created a world of dominant genres against which creativity would shine as a dissent, and shifts in mass media genre preferences would just drive creativity differently &#8212; but it would always show up as a contrast to mass media. In a world like this, the perception is that creativity is abundant. Now, mass media is just another media option, and we all get slices from everywhere. So, everything is just a click away, and originality/creativity isn&#8217;t accomplished by being a minority presence (everything&#8217;s a minority presence) but by being truly original, and, as you say, that&#8217;s rare.</p>
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		<title>By: thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thorn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 20:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think so. if for no other reason than that the internet makes us so aware how rare true originality is, and how much like so many other people we are. i would predict that it would create a sense of futility. those artists who live and work &#039;off the grid&#039; might seriously be best served in their careers by remaining so.

not fully committed to this idea; haven&#039;t been thinking about it very long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think so. if for no other reason than that the internet makes us so aware how rare true originality is, and how much like so many other people we are. i would predict that it would create a sense of futility. those artists who live and work &#8216;off the grid&#8217; might seriously be best served in their careers by remaining so.</p>
<p>not fully committed to this idea; haven&#8217;t been thinking about it very long.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crotty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Crotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it is highly subjective, as I noted, I tried to leave it as an open question.  But clearly there haven&#039;t been any obvious large movements in popular music since grunge back in the 1990s.  New trends are happening, but nothing has reached the same level of popular consciousness (or sales).

I would include urban African-American music in with what I&#039;m describing, though at this point, that&#039;s fairly indistinguishable from the Anglo-American popular music genre you describe (at least in terms of sales demographics).  But even if you limit the analysis strictly to that area, the lack of original trends is evident.  I&#039;m not trying to debate whether anything new is any good or of value, just noting that we&#039;re not seeing the same sorts of large movements we&#039;ve seen in recent decades.  Though it may speak more to a splintering of interests, narrowcasting, more than a lack of innovation.

And who says I don&#039;t like punk rock?  As a high schooler in the late 1970&#039;s/early 1980&#039;s, the movement was essentially dead before I came to it, but still had enough relevance to offer insight to a life outside of the cultural backwater of the suburban South.  I do have little patience for the modern revivals of these old styles, as they strike me as empty aping of the form without the same meaningful motivations, the sorts of nostalgia for the past that punk rock was meant to tear down.  Did punk take 10 years to invent?  Some cite its invention to the first Velvet Underground album in 1967, others to the first Stooges album in 1969.  I&#039;d say those were more influences than actual occurences.  And I&#039;d peg it to the first Ramones appearance at CBGB&#039;s in 1974, with the creation of a scene that was essentially over within a few short years. It was a very brief movement, that by its very nature ended as soon as it was discovered by the mainstream.

And as I said, there are good an bad things that come with this ready availability of media.  The wider range of choice, and the ability to reach likeminded individuals is definitely a plus.  But we have lost the sorts of defining cultural moments, things that allowed connection to a wider range of people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is highly subjective, as I noted, I tried to leave it as an open question.  But clearly there haven&#8217;t been any obvious large movements in popular music since grunge back in the 1990s.  New trends are happening, but nothing has reached the same level of popular consciousness (or sales).</p>
<p>I would include urban African-American music in with what I&#8217;m describing, though at this point, that&#8217;s fairly indistinguishable from the Anglo-American popular music genre you describe (at least in terms of sales demographics).  But even if you limit the analysis strictly to that area, the lack of original trends is evident.  I&#8217;m not trying to debate whether anything new is any good or of value, just noting that we&#8217;re not seeing the same sorts of large movements we&#8217;ve seen in recent decades.  Though it may speak more to a splintering of interests, narrowcasting, more than a lack of innovation.</p>
<p>And who says I don&#8217;t like punk rock?  As a high schooler in the late 1970&#8242;s/early 1980&#8242;s, the movement was essentially dead before I came to it, but still had enough relevance to offer insight to a life outside of the cultural backwater of the suburban South.  I do have little patience for the modern revivals of these old styles, as they strike me as empty aping of the form without the same meaningful motivations, the sorts of nostalgia for the past that punk rock was meant to tear down.  Did punk take 10 years to invent?  Some cite its invention to the first Velvet Underground album in 1967, others to the first Stooges album in 1969.  I&#8217;d say those were more influences than actual occurences.  And I&#8217;d peg it to the first Ramones appearance at CBGB&#8217;s in 1974, with the creation of a scene that was essentially over within a few short years. It was a very brief movement, that by its very nature ended as soon as it was discovered by the mainstream.</p>
<p>And as I said, there are good an bad things that come with this ready availability of media.  The wider range of choice, and the ability to reach likeminded individuals is definitely a plus.  But we have lost the sorts of defining cultural moments, things that allowed connection to a wider range of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Have the past 10 years yielded an new major movements in art, fiction, film, dance, music, etc.? It’s certainly debatable.&quot;

This is highly subjective territory. As it was mentioned in other comment, people were saying that there is nothing new (e.g. in music) for, like, forever.

&quot;The biggest trends I can see in music in recent years are a garage-rock revival and a re-hashing of “progressive rock“, a style so dreadful that punk rock was invented as an antidote to its overblown sense of self-worth.&quot;

That only means that (1) when you say &quot;music&quot; you probably mean only Anglo-American &quot;popular music&quot; genres and (2) you like neither prog-rock nor punk. Which is by the way fair enough, but what here to debate? This is all matter of taste. (As a side comment: if punk was &quot;invented&quot; as an antidote to prog-rock, it took at least 10 years to invent...) 

&quot;The constant availability has taken away some of the special nature of that content (no matter how mediocre it actually was).&quot; 

I completely agree with that. And maybe this is not a bad thing. Now at least one has a choice and can watch or listen to things one really wants, and see that there was nothing really special in that content; rather it used to be sold (in a very broad sense of this word) as special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have the past 10 years yielded an new major movements in art, fiction, film, dance, music, etc.? It’s certainly debatable.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is highly subjective territory. As it was mentioned in other comment, people were saying that there is nothing new (e.g. in music) for, like, forever.</p>
<p>&#8220;The biggest trends I can see in music in recent years are a garage-rock revival and a re-hashing of “progressive rock“, a style so dreadful that punk rock was invented as an antidote to its overblown sense of self-worth.&#8221;</p>
<p>That only means that (1) when you say &#8220;music&#8221; you probably mean only Anglo-American &#8220;popular music&#8221; genres and (2) you like neither prog-rock nor punk. Which is by the way fair enough, but what here to debate? This is all matter of taste. (As a side comment: if punk was &#8220;invented&#8221; as an antidote to prog-rock, it took at least 10 years to invent&#8230;) </p>
<p>&#8220;The constant availability has taken away some of the special nature of that content (no matter how mediocre it actually was).&#8221; </p>
<p>I completely agree with that. And maybe this is not a bad thing. Now at least one has a choice and can watch or listen to things one really wants, and see that there was nothing really special in that content; rather it used to be sold (in a very broad sense of this word) as special.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crotty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Crotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps it&#039;s just a magnification of the same issue. Even for the poet, having constant ready access to the entire canon will certainly have a different effect than knowing obscure poems exist in rare volumes but not having any way to read them.

But you&#039;re right that it&#039;s more pronounced in some fields, like music, where we&#039;ve only had the ability to record for 120-odd years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s just a magnification of the same issue. Even for the poet, having constant ready access to the entire canon will certainly have a different effect than knowing obscure poems exist in rare volumes but not having any way to read them.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s more pronounced in some fields, like music, where we&#8217;ve only had the ability to record for 120-odd years.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crotty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Crotty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s less a question of relevance than it is a question of how this exposure effects our brains and the creative process.  Obviously each generation will have its own formative influences, and that&#039;s something that, despite the common frame of reference media availability provides, does not translate.

I&#039;ve had a similar situation to what you describe when showing kids the great Peanuts Thanksgiving and Xmas specials of my youth.  These are inevitably met with a yawn and a &quot;so what&quot;.  So while you can at least provide access to the actual content, you can&#039;t provide context.

The constant availability has taken away some of the special nature of that content (no matter how mediocre it actually was).  Saturday mornings were something special, that&#039;s when the cartoons were on.  Now with 24 hour access, cartoons are perhaps devalued.  The Wizard of Oz was only on once a year, it seemed like a bigger deal than it does now that you can pull out the DVD any time you&#039;d like.  In some ways this lets us make more objective judgments about whether Dastardly Dan&#039;s cartoon was actually pretty crappy, but it seems like something has been lost as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s less a question of relevance than it is a question of how this exposure effects our brains and the creative process.  Obviously each generation will have its own formative influences, and that&#8217;s something that, despite the common frame of reference media availability provides, does not translate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a similar situation to what you describe when showing kids the great Peanuts Thanksgiving and Xmas specials of my youth.  These are inevitably met with a yawn and a &#8220;so what&#8221;.  So while you can at least provide access to the actual content, you can&#8217;t provide context.</p>
<p>The constant availability has taken away some of the special nature of that content (no matter how mediocre it actually was).  Saturday mornings were something special, that&#8217;s when the cartoons were on.  Now with 24 hour access, cartoons are perhaps devalued.  The Wizard of Oz was only on once a year, it seemed like a bigger deal than it does now that you can pull out the DVD any time you&#8217;d like.  In some ways this lets us make more objective judgments about whether Dastardly Dan&#8217;s cartoon was actually pretty crappy, but it seems like something has been lost as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The classic text on the challenges of grappling with cultural memory as a creative artist is perhaps the &lt;i&gt;Anxiety of Influence&lt;/i&gt; (and its companion, &lt;i&gt;A Map of Misreading&lt;/i&gt;) by Yale professor and literary critic Harold Bloom. 

Bloom essentially argues that every artist&#039;s work is a result of grappling with the work of their predecessors - and he develops a concept of &quot;misreading&quot; (which really isn&#039;t at all misreading but rather a critical and artistic re-interpretation).

Bloom is primarily concerned with poetry in this meditation, but his point applies to all creative (I use the term broadly to encompass all creation of intellectual or cultural artifacts) endeavors. The interesting thing here, I think, is that poetry has a long and relatively (for major poets going back more than 500 years) complete recorded history. A poet has to grapple with this history (which, if one is Chinese, is indeed even more of a challenge then if one is writing in English). The challenges faced by poets (and writers of prose, painters, scholars, etc.) is now faced by others in fields that previously had more ephemeral natures. Music is a great example. Ditto for film. But it is now a challenge for &quot;critics&quot; (meaning anyone writing, commenting, or discussing) popular culture. I don&#039;t know that there is anything new going on but the Internet is creating challenges for a great many fields and people that were previously limited to those with well recorded and archived corpuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic text on the challenges of grappling with cultural memory as a creative artist is perhaps the <i>Anxiety of Influence</i> (and its companion, <i>A Map of Misreading</i>) by Yale professor and literary critic Harold Bloom. </p>
<p>Bloom essentially argues that every artist&#8217;s work is a result of grappling with the work of their predecessors &#8211; and he develops a concept of &#8220;misreading&#8221; (which really isn&#8217;t at all misreading but rather a critical and artistic re-interpretation).</p>
<p>Bloom is primarily concerned with poetry in this meditation, but his point applies to all creative (I use the term broadly to encompass all creation of intellectual or cultural artifacts) endeavors. The interesting thing here, I think, is that poetry has a long and relatively (for major poets going back more than 500 years) complete recorded history. A poet has to grapple with this history (which, if one is Chinese, is indeed even more of a challenge then if one is writing in English). The challenges faced by poets (and writers of prose, painters, scholars, etc.) is now faced by others in fields that previously had more ephemeral natures. Music is a great example. Ditto for film. But it is now a challenge for &#8220;critics&#8221; (meaning anyone writing, commenting, or discussing) popular culture. I don&#8217;t know that there is anything new going on but the Internet is creating challenges for a great many fields and people that were previously limited to those with well recorded and archived corpuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But how much is this a mirage resulting from us being of the same era talking to each other. I recently showed my kids &#039;Whacky Races&#039; on You Tube - great for me (and my mates). They, my kids, could care less. They know what&#039;s new and relevant.

It isn&#039;t us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how much is this a mirage resulting from us being of the same era talking to each other. I recently showed my kids &#8216;Whacky Races&#8217; on You Tube &#8211; great for me (and my mates). They, my kids, could care less. They know what&#8217;s new and relevant.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t us.</p>
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		<title>By: Callum Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Callum Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just me pontificating but, Perhaps creativity appears to be sapped due to the background noise that cultural libraries such as the internet provide? 

When previously, people we constantly saying the same things to a smaller audience (perhaps even in tandem), now it is possible for one to speak to many with a few mouse clicks.  The logical conclusion of this argument is I suppose that we were always as creatively limited, we just didn&#039;t know it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just me pontificating but, Perhaps creativity appears to be sapped due to the background noise that cultural libraries such as the internet provide? </p>
<p>When previously, people we constantly saying the same things to a smaller audience (perhaps even in tandem), now it is possible for one to speak to many with a few mouse clicks.  The logical conclusion of this argument is I suppose that we were always as creatively limited, we just didn&#8217;t know it.</p>
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